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| == Crew ==
| | I loved your post.Much thanks again. cacdekcdfbadcbge |
| '''Get someone to grab the membership binder now. Get someone to take notes.'''
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| * Moderator: Al
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| * Notes: Andy
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| <pre>
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| Kelly gave our treasurer's report:
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| treasurer's report : balance $8679
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| about to pay rent, so down by $3600. So, $5000 in the bank.
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| Shannon pointed out we want to have 3 months expenses in the bank.
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| Our data for recent months:
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| august: 4500 dues paid, 1400 donations
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| september: 2600 dues paid, 325 donations
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| october: 2500 dues paid
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| november: 2500 dues paid
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| Shannon makes the point: the space is full, every night. But we don't
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| have much money coming in. People should be paying their dues.
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| Jof: there's not much incentive to become a member other than joy of
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| supporting a thing. What is the incentive?
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| Shannon: "shame!"
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| ( At this point an open floor discussion commenced, with many ideas some
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| of them very good. I am sure I missed some; my apologies. Replies
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| are sometimes included in square brackets. )
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| Frantisek: has discussed money with many people: Why do we not have new
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| members coming in, and why do we not have donations coming in?
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| Conclusion: people (the core) are not happy, are becoming detached.
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| Frantisek tried to develop more social connection, for example with
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| food; that didn't work out as well as he had hoped.
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| Jake: Relates his previous experience, with another space that was open
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| to people coming in off the street. He found that people tended to
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| come in and take advantage of the space, but remain anonymous (not
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| become engaged in the community). He found that a "census" worked
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| well to help keep track of people. Their implementation was a
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| simple notebook in the space; anyone interested can take a census at
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| any time, just walk around and ask people "a few simple questions":
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| "What's your name?" "How many times have you been here in the last
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| month?" "Would you like to continue coming here?" He made
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| suggestions for defusing hostile encounters and intransigence.
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| Al suggested a few ideas: He'd like to find a car and someone with a
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| Costco membership so that he can restock sodas. Al also stated that
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| he wants a locking, clear, box for donations at the space; he is
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| pretty sure that cash has disappeared from the donation bin, and
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| that a significant number of people don't donate because they think
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| donations are insecure.
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| Patrick: thinks problem is, no official announcement or bulletin board
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| for people coming into the space. Suggests a weekly printed
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| calendar with notifications to people. Specifically finds the wiki
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| hard to find information on.
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| Kelly: A subset of our populace -- people who are here a lot -- get
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| indoctrinated in "how we do things"; but a lot of people aren't
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| interfacing with that culture and don't get indoctrinated.
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| Remembers when she was doing "new people indoctrination" after the
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| meetings. Would like to see more people step up to help introduce
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| newbies to the Noisebridge way.
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| Frantisek: suggests his homebrew as a fundraiser; it's cheaper than
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| soda and mostly organic. also suggests outreach, bringing new
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| people in.
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| John: suggests guestbook like at hackerdojo -- people should sign in
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| when they come in, using an alias or pseudonym if they prefer. He'd
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| also like to solicit donations from people who come to events. He
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| also suggests a new event -- a "Fix your PC" night.
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| Shannon: wants to know if anyone disagrees with statement "if you're
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| here a lot, you should be paying dues". General agreement.
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| Alison: agrees with statement, but genuinely can't afford $40 per month.
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| says it feels bad to not be able to.
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| Al: suggests a front desk, a place for a scheduled volunteer to sit and
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| interact with people, request donations, etc.
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| Jay: new here, no background. Not likely to be a hanger-on, but here
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| for one day. Says it would be great to have an explicit suggestion
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| at the door, "suggested donation for day use $X", plus a clear way
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| to make the donation. We asked "how would you feel about a sign
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| that said "suggested donation $5"? and he responded "I'd think
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| 'whew, I was considering giving $10 or $20'."
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| Kelly: affiliate donation is too low; suggests benevolent sponsor at
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| $40 for person who wants to be a supporter but not be closely
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| affiliated or involved in governance.
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| Carl: asked what the actual run rate numbers are. Rather than letting
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| Kelly answer precisely, we all barged in and said "about $5k per
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| month". Carl then asked about income; we estimated "about $3k
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| coming in".
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| Patrick: is there a link to paypal on the site? (yes)
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| do the usergroups pay? (no). we should get the user groups to pay.
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| even just $5 per person for a 20 person member group is $100.
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| Jof: do we need to encourage members to pay? or do we need to induct
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| new members? (we need to get members to pay, but also to get new
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| members.)
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| Kelly: re user groups, tries not to raise it, but finds it really
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| annoying that regular groups hosted here don't interface with the
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| membership AT ALL. Thinks that we need to outreach to those groups.
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| suggests a regular volunteer group show up for the next month to
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| conduct a census of what groups are *actually* using Noisebridge.
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| Carl: re user groups, wants a suggested minimum donation per user group.
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| Jay: how many members? (kelly: 105, including hiatus). "sounds like
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| there are enough members if everyone was paying"
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| Frantisek: what were expenses of previous place? and, is noisebridge
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| too big to support itself at the current size in SFBA? should we
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| move somewhere smaller?
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| (it cost $20k to move last time, so we can't afford to move. no
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| actual answer to his question)
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| Kelly: I don't know how to say this nicely, so I'll just say it: last
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| treasurer wasn't actually tracking who paid dues. kelly is going
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| back through 2010 data to find out who's actually paid their dues.
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| another problem: paypal randomly cancels recurring payments,
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| doesn't notify payer.
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| ( at some point earlier, Shannon mentioned that it costs $137 per day for
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| Noisebridge to operate. )
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| Meredith: really likes the math we did, of $ per day. Helps set a goal.
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| Alison: is there a need for a group that operates at Noisebridge to have
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| a sponsor member? (no. but we have always suggested that there be
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| a member involved, but that's not enforced; Shannon points out that
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| we should make sure they pay at least even if not members. )
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| Laura: suggesting numbers to people who use the space would be good.
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| Grey: suggest that people with popular blogs encourage the larger
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| community to support us. (hey, we should ask laughingsquid to drive
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| people to our affiliate membership)
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| shannon: "I'll raise the stakes: I'm going to sponsor a day of
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| December. $137 in addition to my dues for December."
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| Andy: sponsoring decmeber 13
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| Al: sponsoring december 26
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| Jof: sponsoring december 1
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| John: some events have money involved (for kits, etc). is there
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| interest to have people donate money at an event such as "fix my
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| computer day"
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| Kelly: The theme of being treasurer: lots of work, awful
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| recordkeeping. perhaps we could nominate a new secretary who's not
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| burned out.
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| Jay: actually, the day costs more like $165, not $137. Shannon made a
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| arithmetic error.
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| ( oops. The day-sponsors agreed (I think) to raise their amounts. )
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| Meredith: sewing area is one of the most busy areas at noisebridge.
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| wants to raise funds for sewing area specifically. wants to have a
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| few sewing days to get people introduced to the sewing area and get
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| people involved. people who are interested in helping should
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| contact her.
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| Steve suggests a light in the space, that turns red as we are going into
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| the red. kelly wants a data pipe out of our accounting website.
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| frantisek wants to display the number of members who've paid and
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| haven't paid.
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| John: how about putting a speaker at the door, to play a recording
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| saying "please donate; it costs $XXX to run this space"
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| Laura: if people don't pay their dues, do they lose membership? (no, we
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| haven't been giving members nag feedback since mitch was doing it,
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| long ago. Soon Kelly will implement her scheme: a single friendly
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| nagging email "pay your dues", then after another week, go on hiatus
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| list until dues are paid. ) Should we terminate members when they
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| don't pay? ( Kelly thinks it'd be good to terminate people who
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| don't pay, but doesn't think that's the consensus. ) Grey points
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| out that process for getting off hiatus is unclear.
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| Jay: getting money from people, we should get money from people however
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| much we can.
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| Jof: we could use the signs, the one that's been running life could say
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| something useful, like "here's how much we need to get this month"
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| and "here's how many members have paid dues"
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| Steve: the signs should say "hey, we're $X below target, please give money"
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| Andy: will start about 15 threads on -discuss
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| Finally we were done discussing money pains and plans. A few other
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| discussion items came up:
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| bikes: There are a lot of bikes that have been around for a long time,
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| taking up space on the bike parking. Andy and Shannon masking-taped
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| them all to the wall; if the masking tape is unbroken in a week, they'll
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| go away (to the Bike Kitchen).
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| skylights: need to be plasticked for winterizing. Andy will order
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| plastic. Costs about $80, donations towards cost (to Andy directly)
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| appreciated. Plasticking party after it arrives.
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| We had one candidate for membership, John (present); he asked to wait
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| until next week.
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| </pre>
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